Impossible Type Combinations
Introduction
How other systems combine with one another is a controversial subject in typology, especially when it comes to Enneagram and MBTI. How many interpret it is that every combination of a types from each system (example being, INFP Enneagram 4, ESTP Enneagram 8, INTJ So7 etc.) is possible because of the nature of the two. Many however, believe that many combinations are impossible to happen. However within this group it is also debated on which combinations specifically are possible or impossible, so the following below is less so a strict line of guidelines to follow, but a general rule of thumb many users go by.
Proponents of the theory that all combinations are possible argue that this is so because different systems measure different metrics. Those who disagree often argue that correlations between type and behavior are what give typology meaning, so the correlations that indicate that a combination is highly improbable should not be taken lightly.
(Don't write any correction Let them correlate by themselves)
MBTI
Fi Doms
- Enneagram 3
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Fe Doms
- Enneagram 5
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- Enneagram 8
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Ti Doms
- Enneagram 2
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Te Doms
- Enneagram 4
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- Enneagram 9
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Si Doms
- Enneagram 7
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Se Doms
- Enneagram 1
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- Enneagram 5
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Ni Doms
- Enneagram 7
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Ne Doms
- Enneagram 1
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Impossible MBTIs for each enneagram: 1 - perceivers 2 - thinkers 3 - Introverts, with the exception being IXTJ sp3 4 - Anyone without 1st/2nd Fi 5 - Anyone who isn't INTP, ISTP, INTJ INFJ, or ISFJ (The IXFJs need to be sx5) 6 - sensors, ENFJ, ENTJ if it isn't sx6 7 - Non NE types except for EXFJ so7 8 - Anyone who isn't ESXP or ENTJ sp8 9 - Intuitives
Just my two cents
1 - I disagree with the idea of all perceivers being ones, Fi doms I think especially considering the common interpretation of Fi is that of personal values. I do think Ne dom and Se dom ones are impossible though considering the idea of perfection is constantly changing
2 - It's hard for me to strictly say whether all thinker twos are impossible especially with EXTPs and IXTJs though I get what you mean
3 - IXXJs in general I think can be 3s regardless of subtype though I do agree IXXPs and especially IXFP 3s are impossible
4 - Its hard for me to also agree on this, especially considering that INFJ 4s are a common (albeit probably overdone) typing, and I think that there's always a chance for Ti to be a supplement for Fi when it comes to the idea of wanting to be unique, however I agree that EXXJ 4s are for sure impossible (Unless MAYBE SP 4s)
5 - Odd for you to exclude ISTJ from this but otherwise I do agree that its generally impossible for feelers who aren't SX to be 5s
6 - The sensors part is odd to me, Se doms I get and I sorta understand why Ne inferior wouldn't be considered sixes but why are ESXJs excluded from this? And also why do ENXJs only have to be sx 6? Wouldn't SO 6 for either or SP 6 for ENFJ work?
7 - I kinda get why you would exclude XSXPs from this but I still think that they are possible as 7s they just wouldn't be SX 7s
8 - ESXPs are definitely most common for 8s but I don't know if they are the only times it can happen. I think INXJs can be 8w9s and imo it's an interesting thing to consider if ISXP or even INXP 8s are possible but otherwise I do agree that EXXJ 8s are more uncommon than people think
9 - I get what you mean but also I'm not sure about this. Ni doms yes I do think don't work as 9s because of their long term visions however with the more laid back attitude of Ne and ENFJs, its likely for them if you ask me, although it still is more common for sensors
so4 could be IxFJ, sx5 INFP isn't farfetched, I don't see what's the HUGE contradiction. sp7 ESxP isn't bad, ENTJ 8 IS bad
In fact, I'll just add my two cents. 1: Perceivers, 2: Thinkers, 3: Introverts except for IxTJ, 4: Fe doms, Thinkers except for arguably INTx or IxTJ sp4, 5: Feelers except for INFx sx5, extroverts, 6: Se doms, 7: Judgers except for ESFJ, arguably Introverts, 8: Anyone other than ESxP and arguably ET(ES) ESTJ, 9: Intuitives, Te doms
1 - INTP 1 exists, 2 - ESTP 2 exists, 3 - ISTP 3 exists, 4 - INFJ 4 exists, 5 - ENTP 5 exists, 6 - ISTJ 6 exists, 7 - ESTP 7 exists, 8 - ESTJ 8 exists, 9 - INTP 9 exists.
Can you point some examples? I have seen only ISTJ 6
why is ENTJ 8 bad?
Why would non sx 5 INFJ be impossible? Actually why is the most openly antagonistic, self-assured, strongly opinionated 5 the only one possible for a Fe aux? If all of you are using Naranjo, which I assume is the case, then both the gentle and compliant sp 5 & the visionary, overly speculative so 5 fit just fine. If you choose to believe in the grant stack meme Ni-Ti translates into INFJ, and even if you don’t Ni-Fe certainly isn’t impossible. The major disconnect for INFJs is along intuition and sensing, and being Ni dominant already implies a sort of self-absorption and detachment from reality, living primarily through abstractions
1- how are IxxPs irrational types?
Perhaps people could write arguments for and against the combinations listed on this page?
I'm talking about Jungian rational types, where their orientation is towards rationally judging things based off of a created criteria (one that comes either from Thinking of Feeling). The Irrational Types aren't and instead perceive their surroundings, both from the outside and inside worlds towards both experiences and images. MBTI asserts the P/J dichotomy the same way, and if you're using a more classical Jungian approach there can be an argument for IxxP 1s being possible.
Just dropping my 2 pence on what's impossible.
1: ExxP 2: Tx dom, so IxTP and ExTJ 3: IxxP 4: I'm really not sure about this 5: Se and Fe doms 6: all combinations possible 7: IxxJ and probably IxxP 8: IxFJ and INxP 9: Te dom, maybe also Se dom
I believe some other combinations (like extraverted 5) are rare, but not impossible.
One thing I'm curious about: are combinations which are impossible IRL possible in fiction?
Imo: Low Je and E1, Low Fe/Fi and E2, Low Je and type E3, Low Fi and type E4, Low Te/Ti and type E5, Cognitive extraverts and type E5, Se dominance and type E6, Cognitive introverts and E7, Low Se and E8, Intuitives and E9
These are the POSSIBLE MBTI/Enneagram combinations, with very few exceptions (exceptions include fictional pairings like the Hulk being ISFP 8w9 or dysfunction of a person like mental illness or head injury):
E1: ISFJ, INFJ, INTJ, ISTJ, ESFJ, ENFJ, ESTJ, ENTJ
E2: ISFJ, INFJ, ESFJ, ENFJ, ESFP
E3: INTJ, ISTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, ESFJ, ENFJ, ESTP, ENTP
E4: INFP, ISFP, INFJ, ENFP
E5: INTP, INTJ, ISTP, ISTJ
E6: ISTJ, ISFJ, INTJ, INFJ, ISTP, ISFP, INFP, ESFP, ESFJ, ENFJ
E7: ESFP, ESTP, ENFP, ENTP
E8: ESTP, ESFP, ENTJ, ESTJ, ISTP
E9: ISTP, INTP, ISFP, INFP, INFJ, ISFJ
For POSSIBLE types, I'd say:
1: All XXXJ types, although I could see an INTP 1w9
2: ESFJ, ENFJ, ISFJ, INFJ, ESFP, IXFP
3: INTJ, INFJ, ISTJ (likely sp), ENTJ, ESTJ, ESFP, ESTP
4: ISFP, INFJ, INFP (4w5), ENFP, INTJ (sx)
5: INTP, ISTP, INTJ, ISTJ, INFJ (particularly sx or so), ENTP (so), ENTJ
6: All types except maybe ENTP, and ESTP being the sx subtype
7: ESFP, ESTP, ENFP, ENTP, ESFJ, ENFJ (sx)
8: ESTP, ESFP, ENTJ, ESTJ, ISTP, ENFJ (so), INXJ (so 8w9 for INFJ)
9: ISTP, ISFP, ESTP (sp 9w8), INFP, ISFJ, and maybe ISTJ and INTP
Most correlated types.
1w9: IxtJ (RcOai)
1w2: ExtJ (ScOan)
2w1: IsFJ (xCoAn)
2w3: EsFj (SxxAn)
3w2: Exfj (Scoan)
3w4: EnTJ (SlOei)
4w3: enFP (sLUei)
4w5: INfp (RLuxI)
5w4: INtp (RloeI)
5w6: InTj (RCoeI)
6w5: Isxj (rcOaN)
6w7: xSfp (scUAn)
7w6: EnfP (ScUaI)
7w8: EstP (SxUei)
8w7: EsTx (SluEx)
8w9: xsTj (xcoEn)
9w8: Istp (rcuxn)
9w1: IsFx (rCuAn)
Maybe this page should be outside of the MBTI book, it's more about typology in general