#1awesomeENFPcommented 2 years ago
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"extraverted thinking may go into rapid-accumulating-facts mode." Te is a rational function, it doesn't take in information; it simply classifies or makes judgements based on facts--the source of information (facts, objective measurements etc.) arrives from a perceiving function.
It's true in the context of the grant stack (IEIE and EIEI) but original Jungian Typology had different stacking (IIEE or EEII), meaning types like ISFJ (it would be denoted as IS(F), "introverted sensing (feeler)") wouldn't be Si-Fe they would be Si-Fi. It all depends on the stack you use
The source I used was this:
" It is only, to be expected, therefore, that a psychic compensation of the conscious extraverted attitude will lay especial weight upon the subjective factor... The attitude of the unconscious as an effective complement to the conscious extraverted attitude has a definitely introverting character."
But I see your point in that Jung never relates this to the auxiliary function so I'll delete it
If you have edit access please do correct any misinterpretations
The source I used-
"When, as the result of a reinforced objective determination, extraverted thinking is subordinated to objective data, it entirely loses itself, on the one hand, in the individual experience... But, whenever thinking primarily depends not so much upon external facts as upon an accepted or secondhand idea, the very poverty of the idea provokes a compensation in the form of a still more impressive accumulation of facts"
True, making judgments instead of observations is what extraverted thinking is supposed to do, but in an "overwhelmed" state, it employs an imitation of that. (At least that's how I read it)
#8Almond Alpinecommented 1 year ago
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Only true to MBTI, as stated in Gifts Differing, part of why Myers created her system in the first place is because of students of Jung depicting the model as IIEE/EEII rather than IExE/EIxI.
#9Almond Alpinecommented 1 year ago
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Updated 1 year ago by Almond Alpine
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"[2] Why Jung uses the word "intuition" instead of something close to "feeling" here I don't know"
Why is this in references and why is it in first person? It belongs in the comments.
I imagine this has to do with the literal idea of "intuition", feeling is a fairly simple English word that as far as I know was not directly translated through other languages which is why we have issues in understanding the function at first taking our usual ideas of it into account. It's very likely feeling + sensation creates an instantaneous artistic vision, which is why it'd be "artistic intuition" instead of "artistic feeling", because even by definition intuition could count as a gut feeling of sorts.
"the introverted is distinguished from the extraverted type by the fact that, unlike the latter, who is prevailingly orientated by the object and objective data, he is governed by subjective factors. The introvert interposes a subjective view between the perception of the object and his own action, which prevents the action from assuming a character that corresponds with the objective situation."
"I emphasized the tendency to a certain one-sidedness in the extraverted attitude, due to the controlling power of the objective factor in the course, of psychic events. The extraverted type is constantly tempted to give himself away (apparently) in favour of the object, and to assimilate his subject to the object. It is only, to be expected, therefore, that a psychic compensation of the conscious extraverted attitude will lay especial weight upon the subjective factor, i.e. we shall have to prove a strong egocentric tendency in the unconscious. Practical experience actually furnishes this proof. I do not wish to enter into a casuistical survey at this point, so must refer my readers to the ensuing sections..."
The one-sideness in the attitude (EE) is compensated with a strong egocentric tendency in the unconscious (II). Jung says practical experience actually furnishes this proof.
An empirical research (series of studies, professional level) proved that Dominant=Auxiliary/Tertiary=Inferior, debunking the pretentious and unrealistic EIEI ( #3 ).
Part 1: https://www.capt.org/jpt/pdfFiles/JPT_(2008)68.10.pdf
Part 2: https://www.capt.org/jpt/pdfFiles/JPT(2008)_68.11.pdf
Part 3: https://www.capt.org/research/article/JPT_Vol69_0109.pdf
BONUS
In "Individual Dream Symbolism in Relation to Alchemy", Jung explained:
"If we think of the psychological function as arranged in a circle, then the most differentiated function is usually the carrier of the ego and, equally regularly, has an auxiliary function attached to it. The "inferior" function, on the other hand, is unconscious and for that reason is projected into a non-ego. It too has an auxiliary function."
"In the psychology of the functions there are two conscious and therefore masculine functions, the differentiated function and its auxiliary, which are represented in dreams by, say, father and son, whereas the unconscious functions appear as mother and daughter."
Carl Alfred Meier was Jung's longtime assistant and the first president of the Jung Institute in Zürich and, as reflected in his book, Personality: The individation process in light of C.G. Jung's typology, the auxiliary function would have the same attitude as the dominant — as a result of which, as Meier wrote, "cooperation with the main function is made easier."
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"extraverted thinking may go into rapid-accumulating-facts mode." Te is a rational function, it doesn't take in information; it simply classifies or makes judgements based on facts--the source of information (facts, objective measurements etc.) arrives from a perceiving function.
"If the dominant is introverted, the auxiliary is extraverted, and vice versa" As far as I know this is debatable, show Jung sources or delete
How is it debatable? That is 100% true
Provide a Jungian source pls
It's true in the context of the grant stack (IEIE and EIEI) but original Jungian Typology had different stacking (IIEE or EEII), meaning types like ISFJ (it would be denoted as IS(F), "introverted sensing (feeler)") wouldn't be Si-Fe they would be Si-Fi. It all depends on the stack you use
The source I used was this: " It is only, to be expected, therefore, that a psychic compensation of the conscious extraverted attitude will lay especial weight upon the subjective factor... The attitude of the unconscious as an effective complement to the conscious extraverted attitude has a definitely introverting character."
But I see your point in that Jung never relates this to the auxiliary function so I'll delete it
If you have edit access please do correct any misinterpretations
The source I used- "When, as the result of a reinforced objective determination, extraverted thinking is subordinated to objective data, it entirely loses itself, on the one hand, in the individual experience... But, whenever thinking primarily depends not so much upon external facts as upon an accepted or secondhand idea, the very poverty of the idea provokes a compensation in the form of a still more impressive accumulation of facts"
True, making judgments instead of observations is what extraverted thinking is supposed to do, but in an "overwhelmed" state, it employs an imitation of that. (At least that's how I read it)
Only true to MBTI, as stated in Gifts Differing, part of why Myers created her system in the first place is because of students of Jung depicting the model as IIEE/EEII rather than IExE/EIxI.
"[2] Why Jung uses the word "intuition" instead of something close to "feeling" here I don't know" Why is this in references and why is it in first person? It belongs in the comments. I imagine this has to do with the literal idea of "intuition", feeling is a fairly simple English word that as far as I know was not directly translated through other languages which is why we have issues in understanding the function at first taking our usual ideas of it into account. It's very likely feeling + sensation creates an instantaneous artistic vision, which is why it'd be "artistic intuition" instead of "artistic feeling", because even by definition intuition could count as a gut feeling of sorts.
Psychological Types:
"the introverted is distinguished from the extraverted type by the fact that, unlike the latter, who is prevailingly orientated by the object and objective data, he is governed by subjective factors. The introvert interposes a subjective view between the perception of the object and his own action, which prevents the action from assuming a character that corresponds with the objective situation." "I emphasized the tendency to a certain one-sidedness in the extraverted attitude, due to the controlling power of the objective factor in the course, of psychic events. The extraverted type is constantly tempted to give himself away (apparently) in favour of the object, and to assimilate his subject to the object. It is only, to be expected, therefore, that a psychic compensation of the conscious extraverted attitude will lay especial weight upon the subjective factor, i.e. we shall have to prove a strong egocentric tendency in the unconscious. Practical experience actually furnishes this proof. I do not wish to enter into a casuistical survey at this point, so must refer my readers to the ensuing sections..."
The one-sideness in the attitude (EE) is compensated with a strong egocentric tendency in the unconscious (II). Jung says practical experience actually furnishes this proof.
An empirical research (series of studies, professional level) proved that Dominant=Auxiliary/Tertiary=Inferior, debunking the pretentious and unrealistic EIEI ( #3 ). Part 1: https://www.capt.org/jpt/pdfFiles/JPT_(2008)68.10.pdf Part 2: https://www.capt.org/jpt/pdfFiles/JPT(2008)_68.11.pdf Part 3: https://www.capt.org/research/article/JPT_Vol69_0109.pdf
BONUS
In "Individual Dream Symbolism in Relation to Alchemy", Jung explained:
"If we think of the psychological function as arranged in a circle, then the most differentiated function is usually the carrier of the ego and, equally regularly, has an auxiliary function attached to it. The "inferior" function, on the other hand, is unconscious and for that reason is projected into a non-ego. It too has an auxiliary function."
"In the psychology of the functions there are two conscious and therefore masculine functions, the differentiated function and its auxiliary, which are represented in dreams by, say, father and son, whereas the unconscious functions appear as mother and daughter."
Carl Alfred Meier was Jung's longtime assistant and the first president of the Jung Institute in Zürich and, as reflected in his book, Personality: The individation process in light of C.G. Jung's typology, the auxiliary function would have the same attitude as the dominant — as a result of which, as Meier wrote, "cooperation with the main function is made easier."